Delegate DeBoy will have a hard time defending many (most?) of his positions when he runs in the newly re-formed district. At least Delegate Malone's voting record can largely be explained as the record of a Democrat representing a fairly conservative district. DeBoy is a DINO.

You are absolutely right! I'm sick and tired of these bleeding heart liberals supporting illegal aliens who are taking jobs away from Americans. Time to vote out these liberals who are ruining our country, and Maryland will become a third world state if we allow them to stay in office. I would place a bet that this poll is bogus, and that Marylanders do NOT vote for the Dream Act. Anyone who does is not a true American.

If an illegal alien can take your job you have far bigger problems to deal with.

The Dream Act provides for innocent kids who came to this country at no fault of their own. Their parents loved them enough to escape the drug cartels and poverty that is pervasive in South America, especially in Mexico. Those DREAMERS speak English, educated in public schools, made their pledge of allegiance daily to the only flag they have ever know-The stars and stripes. I am glad that so many people in MD believe that "we are our brothers' keeper, it does take a village to raise a child and can understand that exiling a child to an unknown country is immoral and unjust.

Maryellen please stop sniffing the glue and take a moment to get a clue about the so called "Dream Act." First of all no one is exiling children to an unknown country, but since we are talking about kids that are illegal immigrants not born here in the US the country they would be deported to is their home country they know it quite well.

Frank, I don't even know why I am responding to you because it is always an effort in vain but how exactly do you know that ALL the illegal immigrant children come here as small children? Is it not possible some of them come here as medium sized children, or perhaps teen aged children? Regardless of their age when they illegally came into the US the country they came from and would be deported back to is still not "unknown" and they are not being exiled either as Maryellen stated.

Guys, it's time to stop blaming these people for coming to America to get a better life. There is no difference, save by the stupid ass laws, between an illegal immigrant and a legal one in the real world.

NONE! Wake the hell up and get off your hatred of non-white people, because speaking as a white born American.... that is what I have to say this is.

Christopher, does a nation not have the right and obligation to know who is in our country? Is the medical and criminal screening of legal aliens done for a reason and why should those who broke into our country get a pass for those checks?

They have always been entitled to go to college. No law prevented them from doing so. This is just to allow the taxpayers to subsidize the tuition and nothing more.

They live here it costs Zero to the taxpayer.

If the in state tuition is, for ease of discussion, $2000 a semester and out of state tuition is $4000, who pays the difference to the school of choice?

FIFA ... so you are 100% for letting the kids go to college. Good for you! So is everyone else. Where you have it completely wrong is the instate tuition provided to illegal immigrants by "Dream Act" is 100% paid for by taxpayer dollars.

Frank, what is "just funny," you completely misquoting me?

Let's assume in-State is $1000 and out of State is $15,000. Assuming those numbers, the Dream Act allows a child who attended school in Maryland, got good grades and parents have been paying taxes. So the child saves $14000, there is no cost to the taxpayer. The Dream Act inidividual is not eligible for grants or scholarships, without the Dream Act they would not be attending college. Not one of the schools they would be attending is currently filled up. The college receives $1000 in tuition it otherwise would not have received.

And did you miss the part where the parents have been filing taxes? Did you miss the part that these are hard working kids who have good grades? Stop all the idiotic claims of abuse, you are not getting stuck with any bill. Chances are you haven't gone to college, but these Dream Act students are not responsobile for yours or your parents decision not to send you to college. Teach all children, stop the bigotry!

Oneline addict, me thinks you doth assume too much. First of all the difference between instate tuition and full tuition is paid for out of our tax dollars just as the federal grants and government funded student loans are ultimately paid for with tax payer dollars. You and your liberal cohorts blindly call anyone against the Dream Act bigots but fail to see how this is not even an issue of race or national origin it is, quite simply, an issue of legal and illegal immigration and the total disregard for that pesky piece of parchment in the National Archives called the United States Constitution by our Democrat controlled state government.

I will also add that if this whole Dream Act BS was really about giving immigrants the benefit of instate tuition as long as they met the various requirements like their parents paying taxes and them maintaining a high GPA through high school and community college then why are these benefits not being offered to the children of LEGAL immigrants also living in the state? You can read the entire Dream Act page by page and not find any such provision. So this is only for those who are here illegally and as soon as we have established that they are here illegally then the issue should be moot because they should be heading back to their country of origin not to college. Then they can go through the legal immigration process or get a student visa and apply for a scholarship if they want a free ride.

Justabill, please realize based on the polls, the Dream Act will pass because Maryland is a State that understands education of all children is the goal, and it is a good goal. Times change and smart people change with the times. Hold on to your 1776 parchment and stick to your Bill of Rights and your second amendment. (By the way, if guns don't kill people, why did the Republicna try sooooo hard to find Holden in contempt for a Fast & Furious gun which killed a border patrol agent? I would think it was the Mexican who pulled the trigger was responsible but the Repbulicans seem to be arguing it was the GUN, maybe we need to revisit that law as well..... damn shame they wasted their time on that one!) Maryland is moving on, leaving you in the dust. But rest assured, 495 still crosses over to Virginia. And why would the children of Legal immigrants living in Maryland be exempt from in-State tuition?

O.A. ... Great job at ignoring the real issues in my comments and wagging the dog in a completely different direction. As for the answer to your question ... I don't know why they were not included in the Dream Act but they are currently ineligible for instate tuition because they are not citizens of MD or the US.

So then why is it OK to ignore yet another existing law and only make it OK for illegal immigrants to have instate tuition and not include legal immigrants?

And since you and Frank decided to bring the 2nd amendment into the conversation, I don't recall any part of the 2nd amendment saying it is OK for a government agency responsible for protecting the citizens of the US from crime to knowingly give guns to known criminals. More importantly I am pretty certain it is also against the law to even knowingly sell guns to known criminals so either way the 2nd amendment does not apply in the case of Fast & Furious but laws against perjury certainly do apply. Most importantly way to minimalize the murder of not just another human being but someone who was working to protect our borders from the very illegal immigrants the issue is really about just to try to score a few liberal points on the issue of gun control when that has absolutely nothing to do with this issue.

Small minds certainly think alike.

Just a bill legal immagrint children already get instate tution because they are residents of Maryland! An illegal immigrant is not a resident of the state.

Secondly do you have a problem with the less restrictive laws that have existed in Texas, Kansas and Nebraska for about 10 years?

Your understanding of this bill is very, very flawed. The tuition is very far from free and a requirement of the bill is that the parents live and pay taxes in MD.

Thankfully, people like you are very much in the minority.

jag,

I have a question. Does the "filing of income taxes" in the ballot language require actual payment of income tax and deductions for social security?

What I'm saying is "filing" is different than "payment."

I'm not a tax professional, but yes, I believe FICA tax comes out of all regular income. Except for rich people, of course - one stops paying Social Security tax after about $110K earnings since, obviously, it makes sense that rich people are exempt from taxes the rest of the population pays. Hint: no, it doesn't make sense, but that's the way the system's set. Hint: rich people set up the system.

Bluto,
You really should take the time to read the law. Otherwise you just look ignorant.

Nothing in the bill requires any applicant to have paid any taxes whatsoever. Absolutely no wording at all to that effect. Only that one must have "filed taxes" and they can do that retroactively. Meaning, a person or their family could have been here for decades without filing taxes and only now must file back taxes to qualify. That MAY mean a letter from the IRS since they have actually been avoiding filing for so many years.
Any illegal alien that would now file a few years back taxes for a few thousand dollar subsidy could very well mena they get charged with tax evasion, as they should. A real risk on their part for a few thousand dollars.

It seems some others knowledge of the bill is also "very, very flawed" since the "paying taxes" comment is just not true or accurate.

Do you realize how hard it is not to pay taxes? If you live somewhere, you pay property tax (either directly, or as part of your rent payment). If you buy something, you pay sales tax. And, in most cases, if you work, you pay FICA tax. For the working poor, income tax has minimal impact on your tax burden.

(And, you should ask yourself if you are similarly against a poor, white kid (whose parents paid little or no income tax) paying in-state rates. If it is acceptable to subsidize that kid's tuition, what makes the immigrant different?)

No one is getting free tuition and the parents of these Dream Act students have been paying taxes. It is the Fox News syndrom that spreads the wrong information. There are no seats being taken away from anyone who applies to colleges in Maryland by Dream Act recipients. They will fill empty seats, they will pay in-State tuition and their contribution to the entore process will be a "PLUS" to the Marlynd education system. Every seat they fill brings in ADDED revenue which will hopefully keep costs down for all students. It is the bigots and those less educated who are distorting facts. The questions you need to ask "How many people does this benefit? Good children! What does it cost you? Not a nickle."

"Meaning, a person or their family could have been here for decades without filing taxes and only now must file back taxes to qualify."

http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/billfile/SB0167.htm says:

"PROVIDES TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE INDIVIDUAL’S PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN HAS FILED A MARYLAND INCOME TAX RETURN: ANNUALLY FOR THE 3 YEARS WHILE THE INDIVIDUAL ATTENDED A PUBLIC OR NONPUBLIC SECONDARY SCHOOL IN THE STATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ITEM (1) OF THIS SUBSECTION; ANNUALLY DURING THE PERIOD, IF ANY, BETWEEN GRADUATION FROM A PUBLIC OR NONPUBLIC SECONDARY SCHOOL IN THE STATE AND REGISTRATION AT A COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN THE STATE; AND ANNUALLY DURING THE PERIOD OF ATTENDANCE AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE"

"REGISTERS IN A COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN THE STATE NOT LATER THAN 4 YEARS AFTER GRADUATING FROM A PUBLIC OR NONPUBLIC SECONDARY SCHOOL IN THE STATE OR RECEIVING THE EQUIVALENT OF A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA IN THE STATE."

"REGISTERS AT A PUBLIC SENIOR HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTION IN THE STATE NOT LATER THAN 4 YEARS AFTER GRADUATING FROM OR ACHIEVING 60 CREDITS AT A COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN THE STATE."

So you graduate from high school and wait 4 years to go to community college. You then spend 2 years in community college to graduate/achieve 60 credits, then you wait another 4 years to apply to state college. That is the longest possible time period you could stretch it out to. That's 4 + 2 + 4 = 10.

Now, the parents are on the hook for the 3 years during high school, plus the 4 years between high school and community college, and the 2 years in community college. That's 3 + 4 + 2 = 9 years of tax filings. The typical path would be 3 + 2 = 5 years of tax filings, though maybe shorter in the case of extremely bright kids who go to community college while in secondary school I'd guess.

I get that you could possibly sit around, have your kid wait around file 9 years of back taxes at the last minute just to get your kid a student rate but what do you actually think the likelihood of that being done as a widespread practice is.

This. I won't be voting for the DREAM Act.

It's not being anti-immigrant. It's being anti ILLEGAL immigrant.

Yea Tim, vote against that 17 year old. Would you like to contribute to a fund to put him/her on a bus home? The kid thinks this is home. You are oh so dead wrong on this one. Punish the kid for the sins of their parents. Maybe you would like to jail the kid? Picture your kids for a moment, gosh your holier than thou speech is disappointing on this one.

Will we one day stop "punishing the kids" for the crime of their fathers and start to pay the loss of income to the children whose fathers break the law and go to jail?
Why do we punish those children now for the crimes of their fathers?

It's ok to have free speech but actually get your facts straight before you spew forth. You are in the minority. This is allowing in-state tuition, nothing else. It is very restrictive in scope and will not affect your life in any way.

Umm...you didn't bother reading the article, did you? P.S. you kinda ignored the problem of you not having even a basic grasp of the bill.

Just ignorant.

AMEN!
If they get reduced tuition, the money MUST come from somewhere. This means that we, the taxpayers, will likely foot the bill one way or another. This could result in shift of money and reduce funding instate students to pay for the difference that the illegals won't pay. American's that would have gotten grants will no longer get them as the money is used for this other purpose. I'd rather spend my money to pay for my child's education, not supplementing for an illegal immigrant tuition reduction. The children born in this country will already get instate tuition, this is about those that came here illegally. Rewarding them and their parents with free benefits of being a citizen will only serve to attract more illegals.

K, out of staters get increased tuition. This costs nothing to fill an empty seat.

"This costs nothing to fill an empty seat."

If i'm not mistaken, is there not a waiting list for some schools like UMCP? Where do the "empty seats" come from and how many are there?

A. Frank, carefully read the bill. First the kid must attend a community college for 60 credit hours. Thus transferring into UMCP, as I did, as a Junior is a piece of cake, if you have the GPA.. The 50% dropout rate in the first two years at UMCP makes it easy.

C'mon, A. Frank, you know that, yes?

The Democratic legislature just did the right thing for the children of immigrants. In state tuition is granted to any resident of the state. The Income tax filing is a requirement to prove residency and responsibility. The tuition is not free, it is "reduced" as it would be for any student residing in the state. You heard ROMNEY he'll staple a green card to any immigrant with a college diploma. And President Obama believes that if you are willing to serve in the US Military to defend this nation, than you have demonstrated loyalty to country and earned a right to citizenship.

Maryellen ... you are once again failing to comprehend the ignorance in this whole issue. If they are here ILLEGALLY then they are not capable of filing taxes legally thus the whole "undocumented immigrants" term used by the democrat's when redefining ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. How can one who is "undocumented" file taxes in the first place when they do not have a legally obtained social security number or any other form of legal identification used for tax purposes? I guess we need to ask two questions now.

1. What part of "undocumented" do liberals not understand?
2. What part of "ILLEGAL" do liberals not understand?

Actually here is a third question assuming you will fail at answering the first two but this requires a little more thought. If your own child is turned down for admission to any of the state colleges or universities because all the instate tuition seats are filled and even one illegal immigrant was granted admission as an instate student is that fair?

How am I to know Frank? Have you ever before seen a poll result released and the question to pollster asked not released as well? Or the internals to the poll as well. And 503 is not a sufficient number either. At least twice that number is needed to be an accurate poll.
Do you not find it odd that the pollster refused to release the question they asked to get such a number even you say you are surprised at?

Frank, this is from the story. "The questions were not made public. "
So what in the world are you rambling about and why are you quoting me with something I never said?

Why will you not answer the very simple question put forth to you? " Have you ever before seen a poll result released and the question to pollster asked not released as well?

Still no answer Frank? Cat got your tongue?

lol. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's why you're in the minority.

We'll see come voting time.

As much as I'm gladly voting for Question 7 (Same Sex marriage, another liberal issue), this DREAM act is fundamentally wrong on logical and rationality levels.

Tim, I'm assuming you'll take the time to read the descriptions of each ballot question, but just FYI, Marriage Equality is Question 6. Question 7 is the casino referendum.

Dawn: Safe assumption, but thanks for pointing that out :)

The statistics are in the article you are commenting on -- did you not even bother to read it?

Steve:I'm just referring to Maryland,O'Malley is just keeping with his masters platform.And by the way,being governor of the cesspool that includes Baltimore is not something to write home about.

Then why did the other 12 states pass it?

I don't live in any of those states,I am referring to MARYLAND.

It may be the right thing to do for those that support it but some of us don't agree with it.And the minority thing is boring.

Right for who? Law breakers?

Would you rather pay for your own child's tuition or an illegal immigrant's in-state tuition supplement? There is only so much money available and this is the choice. Ppersonally, I'd rather spend my hard earned money on my family. The able-bodied slugs on wellfare already get enough of it.

Seriously ^^^^

Tim, voting anti-kid is pathetic. Hoping you lose.

In reading your comments over the past few days since I stumbled onto this site, why do you hold such contempt for so many others? Women, Kansas, blacks etc? Did someone do something to you that made you hate others so much? Did your mother abandon you as an infant and leave you to be raised with animals in a woods somewhere?

"why do you hold such contempt for so many others? Women, Kansas, blacks etc?"

That's a Clown Question Bro. I am not a Republican.

Yet you SHOW us your contempt with your comments. That you cannot hide form the readers sir.

I take it you have never been to Kansas City, Kansas.......

The joke is on you Dale.I don't live in Maryland.At one point I did,but moved far away to get away from the filth.You will eventually have to have all of your welfare queens pay the taxes for the ones who have earned their lot in life who have left.

Thank heaven for the small things in life. Very glad to hear you don't live in our state. Wish you had something better to do than troll treads about a topic you know nothing about, though.

BlutAusNord: So you don't live in Maryland, yet you are still so hung up on your leaving of it that you've got to still post on this communities forums.

Sounds like you're mad you left. Cut the cord dude, cut the cord.

jag, was it not you who was wrong about the law and "paying taxes" ? And you say others "know nothing about" it? I find that quite strange.

A. Frank, one has trouble going a single day without paying paying taxes in Maryland, we have many forms of tax.

The bill says nothing about paying taxes. NOT one word. It says "file taxes". You are creating a straw man.

As I said before, Only that one must have "filed taxes" and they can do that retroactively. Meaning, a person or their family could have been here for decades without filing taxes and only now must file back taxes to qualify. That MAY mean a letter from the IRS since they have actually been avoiding filing for so many years.
Any illegal alien that would now file a few years back taxes for a few thousand dollar subsidy could very well mena they get charged with tax evasion, as they should. A real risk on their part for a few thousand dollars.

So FIFA, when this bill speaks of taxes, it means FILING for INCOME taxes not filing for sales taxes, excise taxes or taxes on your gasoline. Keep the discussion on the facts not something not in the bill.

A. Frank, the fact is these people pay taxes to this state everyday. I'll comment as I wish thank you.

Another Frank talking about straw men, that's rich.

Your right, comment as you wish. But this law has noting whatsoever in it about paying taxes, whether they be income sales or excise, so your commentary is wasted and irrelevant to the issue. But continue on as you may.

jag, please remind me of the straw men i have produced. It is always helpful that when one makes an allegation they show what it is the reference.

You must be mistaken, i have not replied or commented on any of what you posted. You must mean the Frank without the Other in front.

Your parents failed.

But this apparently biased polling group refused to release the questions asked? Something is not right and smells fishy.

I was going to bring this exact issue up. Statistics can say just about what ever you want them to say... as long as you use the right wording and poll the right people.

I won't be voting for this, because illegal is illegal. If this was any other country you would at the very least be thrown into jail. You certainly wouldn't be given a discount to go to school.

Strange need to add the adjective "white"?

I'm sorry but I have not made one comment or reply to any of your posts. You are mistaken. As a matter fo fact, i agree with some of what you have typed. Look again as i have not made any comment about you.

The comment I made about being abandoned was to that hateful person Steve. Are you Steve?

Your parents failed you stands. For you to think that is all that makes a person is a failure on your parents behalf.

No problem. With the angry people here it is easy to mix them up since they sound so similar in their angry posts.

BAN, you are so misguided, your parents did fail you. I am self-employed, paid for my own college education, have done well economically, but I refuse to deny a 17 year old kid the best education this country has to offer. Unlike you, who believes your birthright makes you somehow special. Your bias shows.

FIFA,

No one is being denied anything. You can't seem to wrap your head around that one little fact. The issue is should residents of Maryland subsidize the tuition of people who are here illegally..

Jimmy Cater is an embarassment to humanity.He couldn't get the hostages back until Iran realized that Reagan would bomb them back to Allah The almighty paedophile.Keep whoreshipping at the altar of Pelosi & the rest of the liberal ilk.And whatever you do please stay in Maryland or California or whatevr liberal nonsense state that understands your jibber jabber.

What is it about my parents that you & FIFA keep wanting to ask about.Thy have since passed away.If you are into necrophilia then don't you have corpses in Maryland that can entertain you.At least that way you can't get rejected.

Ah, now we go into the sewer. BAN, sad. Of course your parents instilled your moral compass. Your compass is broke. Too bad.

Lost argument, only sewage is available. Have a good day, sir.

Sewage, even your supporters now see that. Proud of yourself?

Obama is toast. Little FIFA and dullard Steve are like a pack of wild roaming dogs that scour these pages looking for someone to attack. They will be licking their arses after the election. Don't try to offend them, they have no respect for anyone or anything. With the news of late, the whole world is finally seeing what a complete dunce their "hero" is. Keep laughing at their stupid rantings and don't allow them to pull you down to their level. Now enjoy while you see what they have to say about me now. Maybe I can divert some of their venom for a short while.

Dumbbutt, Obama wins in a walkover.

You wouldn't want to loose little FIFA and Steve, would you? They are way too entertaining to just send them back to the Black Hole that they crawled out of. We can at least keep some of those rubes to give us a chuckle once in a while.

Termite/Joe/Steve(2)/Escariot, who are you today? Which one. Come clean.

Then you are saved.

They will be beside themselves when we send Obama "home" with his tail between his legs. It will be a huge task to undo the harm that their "hero" has done to this Country. My only hope for intelligent conversation will return when they have crawled back in their holes. I only hope Obama doesn't destroy this Country in the few months that he has left.

Ha Ha Ha, sniffing FIFA? I'm not condoning a death treat.

Of course none of that is true, but don't let it get in the way of a good rant.....

Good, a false look into the future, Obama is coming, go to France soon.

BlutAusNord, I guess it's time for another hollow Obama speech. Maybe he can get one of his Hollywood friends to have another fundraiser while the world burns. Anyone who has any knowledge of world politics knows that showing weakness means attack. Maybe his Vice president, with his vast knowledge of world affairs can help him out. Ha Ha.

I've been to France many a time & they have the highest muslim population is Western Europe,so no thanks I will stay here.Obama will be given his walking papers in November.Liberals will bemoan & cry & just make the rest of us highly amused.

TJ, do you even read history? Or just watch Fox and listen to Rush. I am questioning whether you are ignorant or just stupid?

Frank, you are correct, it is probably both, my bad.

Holy Moses, Tommy James. Please read a book or three. 1 trillion to 16 trillion...riiiiiiiight. Great grasp on the universe you got there, buddy.

As always, your analysis leaves out a simple fact, you presume the kid can afford out-of-state tuition, thus a very poor analysis.

Yo, TJ, look up deficit and debt, then write your report.

Filth is here.

This comment is such trash it's not even worth the effort of pointing out the dozen blatant falsehoods.

Gasoline prices went as low as $1.59 the week of 12-09-08 according to the US Energy Information Administration. http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

The price of a gallon of gas the week of 7-14-08 was $4.05. That week George Bush signed an Executive order removing the ban on off shore exploration and drilling. http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-14/politics/bush.offshore_1_offshore-oil-drilling-fadel-gheit-exploration?_s=PM:POLITICS
"July 14, 2008President Bush lifted an executive order banning offshore oil drilling on Monday and urged Congress to follow suit."

By 12-1-08 the price of a gallon dropped to $1.79. All because of the Executive order even though no drilling took place. On 2-11-2009 Obama signed an Executive order again banning off shore drilling and exploration. Gas was that week $1.89 gallon. It has been going up ever since.

Truth and facts seem to be the antithesis of some here who have much vitriol and little knowledge of what they speak about.

I have offered links showing the truth about gas prices and the effects of Executive Orders.

If this nation decided to be a force in the energy arena, we could rival OPEC with the resources we have here. We see what just SIGNING an Executive Order can do the price of gasoline in BOTH directions.

Imagine if there were actual exploratory rigs on the coasts and what that would do the world price of oil.

jag, Frank et al, research and knowledge is nothing to shun or be afraid of. Try it sometime and see what you learn. Open your minds.

Saturday : The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows President Obama and Mitt Romney each attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

Frank is wrong again. Frank, do you EVER bother to look before you type?

Look back into the way back machine of failed empty promises by the Radical In Chief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka_tjPLJwVI&feature=player_embedded

Well, just another failure of the man who will be living in Hawaii come January 2013.

Accept my apologies Frank for not posting the entire page. I added the link for those willing to read it for themselves. I admit that I left out some. I guess I will now post the entire page of my links so as to not upset you.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Why did you leave out the part about the margin of error that would show a dead heat?

"Amazing how many of his arguments depend on omission of key information, distortions and logical fallacies."

You still have not factually disputed anything I have posted Frank. Obama is NOT ahead in the Rassmusen poll when the margin of error is applied.
You use big words as if that puts to rest the debate but it doesn't. It only makes you feel as if you have. I stand by my post and nothing you have posted so far has proven it wrong.

Most reasonable folks don't advocate sending anyone back - they simply don't support a financial benefit for illegal activity that is paid for by the public. I have always maintained that individuals who support this act should start a nonprofit organization and raise funds through private donations to support hese students.

Feel better?

You have issues.

So if someone does something illegal, it's better to ignore it? OK. Let's shut down the police departments.

Tell that to someone who spent 5 years raising the money and passing all of the hurdles to immigrate legally from Mexico. Suckers! What a bunch of dummies they are for doing what they were supposed to.

Maryland Court Affirms Tuition Ballot Question
June 13, 2012 6:23 PM
Casa de Maryland, an immigrant support group, went to court in August to have the petition thrown out.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/06/13/maryland-court-affirms-tuition-ballot-question/

Notice the use of the word "currently" to make it look as if they never took this to court.

An out of state organization cannot possibly force citizens to sign a petition for referendum. And even if a campaign is conducted to do so by an out of state group, it does not diminish the obvious need or appropriateness for such a statute to be decided upon by the general electorate. Do you think it was appropriate for outside groups to place an enormous amount of money and effort into the recall election of Scott Walker? It was a Wisconsin issue. But they did, so what? And I'll stop at calling the DNC a hate group although many may claim it to be appropriate.
If folks want to have an honest, debate on an issue they must divorce themselves from the politics of name-calling and personal destruction. It does nothing to advance their argument and casts a light of illegitimacy upon them.

The kids didn't spit in anyone's face. Their parents have been paying taxes in Maryland while your fat behind lived in another state. The other kids have to do what yours does, prove they live here. Pay the out-of-state rate.

My "fat" behind was working out of state because I went there to keep a job. Your choice of wording shows the level of your intelligence. They are here illegally. Yes, please, let's give benefits to them that wouldn't be accorded to legal immigrant children because, heaven forbid, a state move was caused by death, family obligations, or just the plain old crap economy.

Exactly how does one pay payroll taxes when they are illegal? Oh, that's right, they don't because they are paid under the table in cash. I understand why they system of in-state/out-of-state exists, I'm just saying it's completely ridiculous to give it to a group that has no right to be here when people who have paid into this system for many years, legally, do not have the same luxury. Pursue your residency, just like my American child who was born here or like someone who immigrated legally...in this country, then complain.

As this is your 3rd ever post on the Patch, your fat behind just showed up it appears. If you work they withhold taxes. You shop here, you pay taxes. Wow, amazing isn't it? They are not giving them a benefit, they are punishing you for not living here.

And they are children that you keep labeling as criminals. You don't like your son being punished for your decision to move out-of-state, do you. He went where you told him to go, just like their kids did.

FIFA, let me categorize you since you seem to be having so much fun doing it with me. Unemployed...by choice, of course. Welfare recipient. Think you're a hipster, therefore a pompous, pretentious jerk. Am I right? Who knows, but I'm certainly not fat, so there you go.

It's not punishing the kids to make them obtain citizenship. It would serve them well. As for your theory on paying payroll taxes, well, considering the lack of a social security number is a bit of a red flag to the IRS, that just does not hold water. Okay, if they went through the seedy underbell of the black market to buy a social security number of some dead baby, it would make that all the better.

The point is rewarding illegal actions isn't the way to go about it. Too many people work too hard jumping through hoops to get here legally to basically laugh at them by giving a carte blanche pass to those who ignore the law and the basic frame of the society they, presumably, want to be a part of.

My son is doing his part to jump through the hoops of establishing MD residency as is required. Why are they not supposed to do the same thing?

Wrong Pam Spray.

1. Self employed
2. Doing fine economically.
3. Not a jerk, unlike your pompous fat behind that thinks she deserves anything she can get.

Now you.
1. White.
2. Bigot.
3. Divorced.
4. High school dropout.
5. Lazy.

Pam Spray, have you read the requirements of the law? Apparently not, you should and become informed.

You know FIFA, you are the guy that makes redneck, douchebag far righters feel superior. Not a bit of common sense, unable to make a point or legitimately debate anything, just a knee jerk tumblr idiot sensibility. Wrong on all counts, but you say you're gainfully employed, too, so that just goes to show. I could say I'm a 14 year old asian boy and you couldn't debate it any more effectively than your name calling, no sense argument on this issue.

Again, explain why one set of people should establish residency (I never said I felt I deserved different for the record and your pea sized gray matter) and a group, here illegally should be rewarded with a different set of rules? Until you have a legitimate argument, I will no longer respond to your "special snowflake" self. Just for the the record, I'm a liberal, despite hating that term because of the image it has due to people like you.

Pammy, I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

1. We are talking about 17 and 18 year old young men and young women who have attended a Maryland high school for at least 2 years and graduated. They came to Maryland much younger and had no choice but to go where their parents took them.
2. Their parents must demonstrate they have filed Maryland tax returns.
3. The kids must affirm they will file for permanent residency within 30 days of being eligible.
4. They must start at a Community College and graduate or obtain 60 credit hours before transferring to a 4 year college.
5. They must meet all GPA requirements of the schools.
6. They get to pay in-state rates. These kids are not wealthy and most cannot afford out of state rates, thus they won't go if they have to pay high rates.

If you are who you say you are, Community Colleges have capacity and four year colleges welcome qualified Junior transfers. These "illegal" children live here, go to school here, and pay taxes here.

End of argument.

For real chuckle, or whatever you are. Explain how putting a butt in an empty seat costs anything. Go ahead and try.

Chuckie you are funny.
1. Libs/Dems
2. sanctuary state
3. Gov'mt
4. Lamestream media
5. Socialist/progressive mantra
6. Another Greece
7. Progressive liberal socialist agenda
8. Fiscal madness
9. Liberal leftists rioting
10. Blaming the gov'mt

Interesting use of words, let me describe you as a white, bigoted, racist pig. Correct?

The illegal benefits were noted by two state studies. If you have a complaint, contact them.

http://www.aim.org/special-report/casa-de-maryland-the-illegal-immigrants-acorn/#radical_connections
On the website Somos Baltimore Latino CASA advertises membership with a drawing depicting the CASA membership ID card, (translated into English via Google with corrections):

BECOME A MEMBER OF HOUSE [CASA] - The organization CASA de Maryland is re-launching the campaign “BECOME A MEMBER OF [CASA]“ in order to register more Latinos brothers. To date, CASA [has] more than 10,000 members.

Membership allows us to achieve many legal and civil rights [victories], the most recent is that of Maryland’s Dream Act favoring undocumented students. CASA is currently working alongside other organizations to promote immigration reform.

CASA membership gives you access to services as well as take classes in English, computer, citizenship, health care, legal advice and participation in activities and programs of CASA.

State offices are allowing Illegal immigrants to use this card to register for welfare benefits, in violation of state and federal law. More about this later.

Pat "Bigot" McDonough, now there is a source. He's been quiet lately.

ROTFLMAO That is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

James Simpson writes some major comedy. Wasn't he the same guy that brought the Phony British Lord to speak at the Carroll County Flat Earth Conference?

That chart is a Hoot!

Sorry, it is not an in-state discount. It is an out-of-state extra charge for not paying taxes to our state.

TJ, you are back. When will you get it through your skull that it is impossible to send 12,000,000 people out of the country many of which do jobs your lazy butt would never consider doing?

http://www.capitalresearch.org/2012/08/casa-de-maryland-and-the-corrupting-influence-of-illegal-immigration/
Across the nation, debate rages over illegal immigration. Liberal politicians from the White House on down have supported amnesty for illegal immigrants and lax border enforcement, often in a naked attempt to bolster prospective Democratic voter rolls.

This controversy has been especially heated in Maryland, whose Hispanic population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010. Under Gov. Martin O’Malley’s sanctuary policies the state has become an illegal alien magnet.1 Illegal immigrants cost Maryland an estimated $1.7 billion per year, which is more than three-quarters of the state’s $2 billion structural deficit.2

Steve, go to Casa De Maryland web site. You should believe them. 1.7 Billion in 2011, I'm sure it's alot more now.

More comedy from Homer Simpson.

It's easy to pretend you're in the middle. What's your solution? Otherwise your statement is simply another "gotcha."

My solution? Illegal aliens are illegal. Kids drug here by parents deserve a chance since it legitimately isn't their fault they are here, but not if they prove they are as unwilling as their parents to conform to the law. Either obtain your legal residency and prove that you are not just a chip off of the old block as far as skirting the law or become the same as your parents, needing to be returned to the country of origin. Period.

Oh, also, I should add that to stop this issue all together, we need to reimplement or reinforce standing laws regarding proof of citizenship for any type of government benefits or identification. That includes school registration (including primary school), welfare, ITINs, etc. and meaningful prosecution of companies found to hire illegals.

Take a page out of the Republican Playbook and grant them Amnesty.

Now Steve, you know that's only for them to discuss in Florida/Texas/Arizona just prior to elections (and in front of certain groups) and when there's a particular call to put the smackdown on corporations that employ illegals. It's then promptly forgotten about afterward once the voting block has been culled. Honestly, we let these kids stay here by lack of enforcement, so it's not their fault. I have no issues with amnesty for them to get naturalized, just their parents.

Ronald Reagan granted undocumented immigrants amnesty and Dumbya Bush tried really hard to do the same in 2004 but Congress blocked him.

I'm still failing to see why you think I'm a republican or why anything they choose to do would persuade me. Common sense says: we allowed them to come here and establish a life due to failure to enforce our own laws....therefore we're as much to blame for the staggering numbers as they are, to some extent. If the parents have actually managed to somehow pay taxes (I think people believing this is the majority are woefully misguided, and I speak from some experience here) and/or served in the military (insane that they could actually get in considering they are not citizens), fine - amnesty rules. The kids aren't at fault and I sincerely believe it would be more cruel to send them to a land they don't understand and sometimes can't even speak the language of, than to help them. So okay, but there has to be a line in the sand.

If we let them in and let them stay due to neglecting our own laws and therefore contributed, which I believe, let them have amnesty, but ONLY if we then smackdown with the wrath of the OT god on any that come after and the companies that allow it to perpetuate. No exceptions, no further amnesty. There are ways to come here legally. If you choose not to follow them, then too bad, so sad, bye bye. I know it will never happen because it makes sense.

I could support an amnesty plan only if it fixed the problem once and for all by making birthright citizenship contingent on one parent being a citizen or legal resident.

The number looks incredibly low to me. $940 per person? It's more likely closer to $5,000:
http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration
May 17, 2012) A new study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) finds that providing education, health care, law enforcement, and social and government services to illegal aliens and their dependents costs Maryland taxpayers $1.86 billion. These costs amount to a $910 a year burden per Maryland household headed by a U.S. citizen.

The report, The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Marylanders, estimates that about 295,000 illegal aliens resided in the state as of 2010 – more than five times as many as lived there in 2000. In addition, there are some 68,000 U.S.-born children of illegal aliens living in Maryland who are eligible for all means-tested programs and benefits. Though these children are U.S. citizens, they would not be in the state if not for the fact that their parents violated U.S. immigration laws.

Anchor babies is not as insane an idea as you like to make it. It's also real for Americans living on the Canadian border who run across to have their children in Canada so that they can access lifetime free medical care and automatic dual citizenship. I actually know people who did it that were working members of society.

"68,000 U.S.-born children" aka US Citizens entitled to the same benefits and rights you and I enjoy.

"68,000 children" born to criminals smart enough to run across the border before dropping their children for the specific purpose of gaining access to citizenship through other than lawful means. Nope, sorry. So the kids can stay, sans the criminal element. Problem solved!

TJ, are you really that stupid? Obama didn't stop the depression fast enough. You are dumber than my kitchen table. At least it doesn't type or vote.

The Dow Jones has almost doubled during Obama's term saving a lot of retirement accounts. Go ahead, make me laugh, Bush did it!

Are tainted facts presented by both sides still to be considered fact...?

The link to above article:
http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/illegal-immigration-a-113-billion-a-year-drain-on-u-s-taxpayers/

When a group publishes studies with the answer in hand already, what does that prove.

From the "Study".

"The tax collections from illegal aliens ASSUME [emphasis added] eight million illegal alien workers, one-half of whom are in the underground economy. Those in the above-ground economy are ASSUMED [emphasis added] to have an average family income of $31,200 (60 hr. workweek @ $10/hr.) with two children."

What kind of study is that? They just make assumptions on data?

They lump the children born in the US to undocumented immigrants which skews the numbers upward and they also don't take any consideration for the goods and services the undocumented immigrants purchase.

What is also apparent is that $31,200 worker can afford to send his/her kid to that $27,000 a year four year college! Yea right.

Here is a little background on the hate group FAIR that sponsored the study.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/09/14/fair-embraces-racist-founder-2/

I could just as easily state that SPL is a hate group based on liberalism. Where are their facts that refute the report?

BAN, we have to find facts to refute a report based on assumptions, are you nuts? The ultimate straw man. We have to debunk a made up report? wow!

Here's 7 pages of debunkment showing how FAIR and it's Fellow Hate Groups fabricate the numbers.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-12-02/news/russell-pearce-and-other-illegal-immigration-populists-rely-on-misleading-right-wing-reports-to-scapegoat-immigrants-and-terrify-penny-pinched-americans/

Steve: What's your point? Are you claiming that there area no costs associated with illegal immigrants? If so, you're a liar. If not, come up with some actual costs numbers instead of playing the hate group card.

No way turn out will be higher. Many people who were Obama cheerleaders in 08 have buyers remorse now.

I have a bridge for sale. Looks like buyers today.

RMI, do you do anything but whine about Frank and me?

I have the ability to multi-task, I volunteer, work, vacation, enjoy Ravens/Orioles, and debate politics. Many other interests as well.

FIFA, if you say so. Just seems to me the you and Frank cosntantly want to take on all comers on every singe topic and your refusal to let any thread go may mean something. You are so angry about anything and everything.

Kind of reminds me of the Brad Paisley song - So much cooler online.

RMI. They are total loosers. Check out how much time they spend on here trashing anyone who doesn't follow their agenda. As soon as you state an opinion contrary to theirs, they attack. What a bunch of whimps. Taking out their frustrations that Obama will no longer be the President. on the Dagger is their only way to feel like somebodys. On the brighter side, we only have to tolerate this scum for a few more months.

Have not heard from them. I guess they were good and moms gave them cookies and ice cream and they are happy for now. Or maybe they were bad and moms took the computer away until they learn how to play with others.

Frank - Glad moms gave you back the computer. Hope the cookies were good.
Seriously though - is something wrong? Look at the number of posts you have made and your absurd comments.
What is wrong Frank? Either you are an amazingly sad person who feels important by this or you are really an agent for the conservative side. Your arguments, your treatment of other posters simply do not help your agenda. I believe Bill O'Reilly is correct - you have managed to create this alternative world with your free stuff and you are king of this imaginary world.
You simply don't see how foolish you look.
Don't worry, Ravens time and a big week of work this week. So, you can get the last word to feel good about yourself. I am sure you have 30 to 40 more postings ready to go for tonight.

RMI, I have a low tolerance level for fools, idiots , and simple people who can only follow and not think for themselves. My bad. So Frank and I can only try to educate and laugh at the pied pipers hoping others will understand. You are a pied Piper at times.

The CBO report which studied 17 other studies disproves that. I believe that Steve is using statistics from an obvious hate group. as in they hate the truth.

They can start a small business with grant money and other government assistance...you don't have to be legal to own a small corporation in the good'ol US...

Yes they can, they qualify for work permits as long as they stay in college and after they graduate too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/obama-immigration-order-deportation-dream-act_n_1599658.html

The MD Dream Act was advertised as a "pathway to citizenship". As of today, an illegal immigrant graduate can get a work permit, get government assistance & grants, and not be deported. So where is the citizenship process; I guess there is no need then. Does U.S. citizenship have any value anymore?

The law says they must apply for legal immigration status within 30 days of being eligible. I like a college educated kid much more than one that is not.

"The law says they must apply for legal immigration status within 30 days of being eligible."......but no such application or process exists! Is that 30 days after graduating....if so, why not do it now?

Simple, you want in-state tuition that is the requirement. These are children.

Easy, let them then become citizens and join in and be productive?

Hell if it up to most of the pinheads that moan on here, the pilgrims would have been deported.

Let them invest in themselves first. Become legal citizens first. (Some of them have been here for a few years. Why have they not done it yet?) To allow them to get the education first with no guarantees that they will either want to or be able to work here is not an investment- it's a gamble.

The skewer is called Capitalism...

That's not true. Do you have any idea of how many illegal Americans are living in Mexico as we speak??

Hell, even Mitt Romney's family was living there illegally.

Total BS, you need to elaborate on that statement, it depends on what country you are from. $50 is just for Americans, their way of saying thanks for doing nothing to all their illegals we're taking care of here.

You must be reading the Moonie paper.
"Pieces in U.S. media from the Washington Times to the Concord Monitor have inaccurately claimed that Mexico’s policy is to jail and deport those found to be illegally in the country."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/mexico/100916/migrants-illegal-immigration

Now you went and done it! You got him so flustered he did what he does so often. He slammed the race card, the last refuge of liberals.
"Note what connects these issues. In every one, liberals have lost the argument in the court of public opinion. Majorities -- often lopsided majorities -- oppose President Obama's social-democratic agenda (e.g., the stimulus, Obamacare), support the Arizona law, oppose gay marriage and reject a Ground Zero mosque.

What's a liberal to do? Pull out the bigotry charge, the trump that pre-empts debate and gives no credit to the seriousness and substance of the contrary argument. The most venerable of these trumps is, of course, the race card. When the tea party arose, a spontaneous, leaderless and perfectly natural (and traditionally American) reaction to the vast expansion of government intrinsic to the president's proudly proclaimed transformational agenda, the liberal commentariat cast it as a mob of angry white yahoos disguising their antipathy to a black president by cleverly speaking in economic terms."

It is a measure of the corruption of liberal thought and the collapse of its self-confidence that, finding itself so widely repudiated, it resorts reflexively to the cheapest race-baiting (in a colorful variety of forms). Indeed, how can one reason with a nation of pitchfork-wielding mobs brimming with "antipathy toward people who aren't like them" -- blacks, Hispanics, gays and Muslims -- a nation that is, as Michelle Obama once put it succinctly, "just downright mean"?

The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama overread his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."

Now we know why the country has become "ungovernable," last year's excuse for the Democrats' failure of governance: Who can possibly govern a nation of racist, nativist, homophobic Islamophobes?

Note what connects these issues. In every one, liberals have lost the argument in the court of public opinion. Majorities -- often lopsided majorities -- oppose President Obama's social-democratic agenda (e.g., the stimulus, Obamacare), support the Arizona law, oppose gay marriage and reject a Ground Zero mosque."
The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama overread his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."

By Charles Krauthammer · August 27, 2010

Yup, to you he is just another white racist as all those not like you are steve. Man, if he was a black woman you would hate him even more. He has more thought and brain matter than you will ever hope to you vile ignorant slime. You are a despicable sad individual who holds racist bigoted disdain for all not thinking like you. THAT's is the definition of BIGOT.

That racist bigot also said in this piece from 8-27-10, "The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama overread his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."

He was right then as he was in your posted quote. Minds can differ.

But FIFA's definition shown elicits no comment from the nutsack gallery?

When one uses the term "gov'mt" twice in one post, he qualifies as racist like you Joe.

Fool. "What is gov'mt"?

I would bet that Joe fits the description. Say it ain't so Joe.

TheresaR, how are you so uneducated on this issue? Undocumented students would compete with out-of-state applicants. PLEASE say you'll bother learning about this subject before voting on it. Many of the opponents on here seriously test my faith in direct representation. There's a reason the Founding Fathers created a Republic w/elected officials - many "regular" folks are just flat dumb. Can you imagine if there are enough TheresaR's in this state to scuttle this legislation and force these kids to NOT attend college? The woman has a freakin' daughter in college and still can't see the benefit of having an educated populous.

"scuttle this legislation and force these kids to NOT attend college"

Fear mongering! Voting against this bill will not prevent these illegal aliens from attending the college of their choice any more than it will effect any child's choice of higher education. They can NOW attend any school they want. NJo law is stopping them. My son didn't choose many schools simply for the reason of cost. that is life my friend. Enjoy it and live it.

Nobody is forcing these kids to NOT attend college. We just think they should pay their fair share, just like any other out-of-state student. TheresaR's kids may qualify to attend Penn State, but you can bet they would pay out-of-state tuition.

THat's because they live out of state. If they lived in Pensylvania for the minimum required years they would get instate. The students affected by the DREAM Act are MD residents so they should get the instate tuition. Some of them have lived in MD most of their lives.

You and Joe are just ridiculous. Leave your argument at "they don't belong here", at least that's rational.

It's rational to say they don't belong here, but irrational to say those who don't belong here don't deserve in-state tuition?

OT, all of your other arguments fail. It is okay with you if they go to school but pay out of state rates. IMO if they can stay, then they should pay in state if they reside in this state just like everyone else. Just argue sending them back, it is simpler.

Gee TR, I wonder what is the truth?

On July 2, 2011 you said, and I quote, " I have lived in MD almost my entire life, and my husband and I have contributed probably over 200K during that stay to the states coffers."

Now you say 400k, you are either a liar or extraordinarily wealthy? If you have paid $400K over 20 years, that is $20,000 a year which at 8% tax rate equates to a taxable income of $250,000 per year after all deductions. Cry me a river dear. What are you lying about. Help her Joe.

Facts matter. An illegal does not get preference at Maryland. They are not eligible to enter as a freshman, they must transfer after graduating from a community college or 60 credit hours. Juniors have a much easier time transferring then getting in as a freshman.

If you want to complain, it is the out-of-state freshman you can complain about.

Admit it. You didn't read the law did you?

they have not lived here legally. I also sponsored a babysitter through the immigration process who had originally come here on a student visa. It can be done, if you are willing to do it. So why are you continually okay with people breaking the law ? we have laws, people should FOLLOW them. I have read the proposal. I am not okay with giving tuition breaks to folks who broke our laws (whether they did it or their parents did it). We are broke guys, we keep taxing people more to pay for folks who didn't even come here legally... and those who are footing the bill are sick and tired of it. we are done.

Go read, Vanderbilt failed you.

Glad you were born here I guess. It has been shown many times over, the college educated person earns many times more.

OT, just argue send them back. Your like minded friends understand that.

Who says anything about "sneaking"? 50% of all undocumented immigrants are Vis overstayers.

well in that case Tim, they can contract a lawyer and apply for a green card. cost my babysitter a total of about 5K.

FIFA: Guess you are one of the snobs I mentioned. Money does not buy happiness.

Steve: Not much difference between sneaking in and sneaking around.

OT, that sounds like a liberal concept. Ask Willard if he believes you, I doubt it.

We are learning more about you by the minute. Have your Tea Party card with you. Too much Faux News in your day too?

You still haven't read the law have you? Sad.

There weren't any immigration laws in the mid 1800's.

FIFA, so you still haven't replied as to why US tax payer dollars and my MD tax payer dollars should go to fund the education of folks that came here illegally ! changing the subject, calling names, typical lib, that's all you know how to do. I don't want my tax dollars paying for illegal aliens kids education. I have enough trouble paying for my own kids education. and they keep raising my taxes to balance Maryland's budget... the state is soon going to go the way of California... only faster, because it is probably easier to move to Virginia than it is to pick up and head to AZ from CA.

TR, I will try to make it very simple for you as a typical lib that has described you to a Tea. The only difference between the child of an illegal immigrant and your child is where they were born. Their parents pay taxes to Maryland, just like you. You want their tax dollars to pay for your kids. That is fine with you.

What don't you understand about that? Start using your "Vanderbilt" education. I'd like to see that one.

Yup, but rock doesn't talk back, so the rock is never wrong. I like rocks.

Rocks are just the right height in Michigan.............

Pst, TheresaR, your racist trash side is showing.

Never mind the fact that the bill requires the students to have lived and attended school in MD and for the parents to have filed tax returns for years. But hey, you're wealthy so your air of entitlement over lowly brown people is okay. They're all just "filing EIC and child care tax credit" anyways. Damn Mexicans. Just a bunch of poor trash making it hard for your kid to get into state college, right? Together we can ensure these kids remain uneducated and poor - that way our children can make fun of them too! A grand ol' time, indeed.

Man earns 20 Million Dollars one year and earns 14 Million Dollars the next year and pays 14%. He must be a deadbeat, right? Sorry, he is the Republican candidate for President.

No matter what you say, no matter what you research, no matter what your level of education, you are a bigot white trash racist fox Limbaugh listening troglodyte knuckle dragger who hates clean air clean water old people hispanics women etc etc etc ad neauseum who parrots some (insert name) you heard somewhere and whatever you say is trash and not worthy of a reply that does not include childish name calling and one liners from some person who says he is married but seems to be attached to this column and has to respond to every bigot who does not say the same things he does. Or some other self anointed hall monitor and Language Nazi who will find a error when they can't respond with knowledge and civility.

What they want to is shut you up and shut you down.

Just like you Joe, as you both are bigot white trash racist fox Limbaugh listening troglodyte knuckle dragger who hates clean air clean water old people hispanics women, that be you.

I don't believe payroll taxes count. After all, you are supposed to get them back eventually (though I suppose if they never file for a green card they never will). so, for the family of five making 25K here are the exact numbers : Gross income, 25K, deductions 11,400, adj gross income 13,600, 18250 in exemptions, paid 1550 in social security, 362.5 in medicare gets a check back from MD for 1031 and a check back from fed for 7834. so you are right, they paid payroll taxes, just nowhere close to the thousands they receive back. and it gets better, sometimes they claim they are seperated to get two 8K checks instead of one (according to my accountant friend who turns them aways and refuses to do their returns this way). there is a bill pending before congress to stop the estimated 7.7 billion of tax payer dollars estimated to be spent this way this year, reid won't bring it up for a vote. and as far as a bigot... if you would care to go their next. my babysitter who worked for me for 12 years, is an african from zimbawee. I cosigned her student loan and co-signed her car loan for her, because she made herself invaluable to me. and she did a fabulous job with my kids. she went to school while working and she is now a physicians assistant. this is still the land of opportunity

well my 22 year old daughters b/c pills went from 55 every 3 months to 5.00 every 3 months for our insurance co-pay. and we were quite willing to pay for them at the 55.00 rate. don't think everyone else should have to pay for my daughter's b/c or sandra fluke for that matter. any female who is concerned about the republican "war on women" is truly an idiot. I don't expect anyone else to pay for my health care, or hers, for that matter.

Really Thersea? Make it the same as income? How is that in anyway fair?

1.) The money that bought those investments, (investments that went to a company so that the company could expand, hire workers, make a product, sell the product, deliver the product... you know, grow the economy...) has already been taxed. Somebody earned that money as income and it was taxed. At whatever rate they paid, They chose to invest it instead of spending it on a bigger car, or a 90" flat screen. They helped out everyone, and in return they get back a small fraction as a dividend, or interest. So we tax that money again when they sell that investment to buy another one to repeat the cycle, (at 15%). (talking about long term cap gains, owned more than 1 year)

Maybe if you thought of cap gains and dividend income tax as an incentive to invest and actually grow the economy instead of using the money as disposable income, it might put things in a clearer perspective? When most people talk about raising the tax rate on the rich, most mean on earned income. (you know the people that were lucky enough to be born in America into a system that allowed them to do well and really prosper and make 1+mil a year...) According to the IRS, there were over 4000 people that filed with earned incomes over 1mil that paid no federal income tax... That fair?

okay folks, I work full time but it's lunch time and I will reply briefly. 1) my major was a a double major, CS and ME. I worked in CS for around 10 years before going into high tech sales... hey sales makes more money... my husband remains in engineering. 2) you are right, I am not complaining about the MD taxes I paid even though I didn't use them. I am very grateful for BCC IB program and for UMD great in-state tuition rates. even in the 2 years my daughter spent at UMD and the 1 1/2 year my son spent at BCC I am receiving my taxes back, and though those schools are FAR more liberal than I would like... I had to reeducate my son on certain aspects of his AP govt class... I have zero complaints about the quality of the education. to "Just a guy" I agree, income that is investment income has had the original investment already taxed. but we decided to buy property out of our investments and I know how much time I spend managing the rentals as opposed to working for my earned income. answer, much less ! also can't you deduct the loss on investment income from future gains ? and roll the loss over for five years if you can't take it ? so that combined with a tax rate of 15% on the passive income, yes, it does favor those who already have money. and I will agree it creates jobs, I bought a foreclosure and I employed contractors. but I still think that income should be taxed at the same rate as earned... I am also in favor of throwing the tax code out.

Maryland schools spend over 15K a year, per student. How many kids did you say you've made us all pay for? 3? So 45K a year x 13 years...and that's only K-12 education and doesn't including everything else the state has provided you and your family over the past 20 years. Yet now we all get to hear your indignation and complaining even though your family's a giant drain on the rest of us. That's just fantastic.

My kids have been in private schools for their entire education, with the exception of UMD. My son is now in at BCC and will be at BCC for a total of 3 years. the rest of the years my children were in catholic schools, holy cross, the heights and holy redeemer.
and guess what, I am so glad you brought that up because holy redeemer's tuition was about 5k a year per kid... 8 K for two... it is amazing what the little catholic schools managed to do with a blackboard as opposed to all the 20K a piece beautiful but entirely unnecessary video boards in pratically every classroom at BCC.

TheresaR: Finally someone who makes sense.

Something just isn't making sense here. What kind of engineering degree may I ask?

ESP

http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/01glance/html/edelem.html

Federal, state and local spending.

LOL I think JoeBlob is having a meltdown.

It didn't get buried. The left jackasses couldn't come up with another insult for you because you have shown that you are much smarter them they are. If you spend any time on the Patch, you will find that there are a pack of roaming slobbering wild dogs that will attack you like a piece of raw meat if you have any kind or argument that goes against their agenda. Keep up the intellegent discourse and tell it like it is. You are a breath of freash air here.

It don't matter you privileged white bigot racist homophobe woman hating Islamophobe, Hispaniphobe tea bagger. They have more defense of and less contempt for these people. Baltimore Metro Rogues Gallery http://towson.patch.com/articles/baltimore-metro-rogues-gallery-sept-1-7#photo-11257655
They hold the people who are their co workers, neighbors, family and acquaintances, who are law abiding and building traditional families and businesses, ending their kids to the same schools, visiting the same 7-11 in contempt as shown by their comments. They hold sympathy and defense of anything else.
From criminals to terrorists to child rapists to intern abusing Presidents to perverse sexual lifestyles to the killing of the unborn to the trashing of the 1st Amendment now as much as the 2nd amendment for years. Support all you Demos do.
Anyone who supports traditional marriage, natural sexual relationships, the free markets that built this great nation, freedom from government interference to the point that I can't buy a 21 ounce soda in NYC. Anyone thinking that a school is interfering in parental responsibility when the school will not give your 15 year old daughter a motrin for pain, with your consent, but will give abortion pills without your knowledge or consent is now the twisted bigots and anti women republicants. The American Taliban.

I never thought in my life it would get here so fast. The Fundamental transformation of the United States of America is well on its way with so many sheep to be sheared.

Joe, wow. Take a chill pill man

Frank: Maybe it's time for you to get back in your doghouse.

Joe, in case the impossible happens. Obama wins, SSM wins, DREAM act wins, do we need to put you on suicide watch? What are you willing to wager? Give me some cajounes, let's bet.

TheresaR - aren't you glad you finally figured out the dynamics here? There's no sense in talking sense because all you do is open the door to the attack dogs.

North Carolina is ranked #9 and MD is ranked 10th. Not a whole lot of difference between the undocumented immigrant population.
The whole we are becoming Greece canard is patently false. It's a Glen Beck talking point. Most of the time they try to compare California and Greece but that dog don't hunt either.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/5-graphs-that-show-how-crazy-it-is-to-compare-california-to-greece/260939/

Longer growing season...

North Carolina 's Poultry industry is much larger than Maryland's. That's labor intensive.

If a head of lettuce costs $10 without illegals picking it, then the cost of a head of lettuce should be $10. That's the way the market is supposed to work.

As long as you make up your own truth, it will remain (in your head).

Thanks for the correction...

There is no documentation that accurately proves how they were killed. They were killed by our government at the time....our government led the charge, and that is accurately documented fact. To deny it would be living as many are in denial.

From the eyes and minds of the Native Americans...we all were the illegal immigrants...no stretch to this truth...unless you're in denial of it...

It's not that big of a stretch. The groups such as FAIR, CIS, NumbersUSA etc which are pushing anti immigration policies such as the Md DREAM Act are also strong proponents of Eugenics and abortion. They try and claim it's all about "illegals" but it's really not, it's about anti "ANY" immigration and keeping the White race pure. Here is a good read on it...

http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/anti-immigration-leader-responsible-for-americas-first-abortion-law/

From the link I posted:

"Tanton writes, “Roy Beck and I think we have come up with an idea that can actually move the battle lines on the immigration question in our favor. While we are working on other ideas to move Democrats, this one involves using the recently released census data to show Republican members of Congress, the Administration, and the party’s leadership how
massive immigration imperils their political future. The goal is to change Republicans’ perception of immigration so that when they encounter the word “immigrant,” their reaction is “Democrat.” …Our plan is to hire a lobbyist who will carry the following message to Republicans on
Capitol Hill and to business leaders: Continued massive immigration will soon cost you political control of the White House and Congress.”

Except illegal immigration is a civil offense and of course convicted felons have the right to in-state rates (for the state they're a resident of) following their release, so this is basically the worst analogy you could have possibly come up with.

Civil offense IF being here is their only offense which is rarely the case. More often than not they have forged or stolen identities and uses false documents. THOSE are felonies.

And don;t beLIEve the Obama deportation numbers. They are fake and Obama has even said so. They count all those who have been caught AT the border and returned to the other side. If they return and are caught agian they are counted again. then again and again and again since they do not charge them with even the civil crime which would make it a felony to re-enter again.

"Chairman Smith: “Internal Department of Homeland Security documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee reveal that President Obama and other administration officials have falsified their record to achieve their so-called historic deportation numbers. Administration officials claim that Immigration and Customs Enforcement has deported a record number of illegal immigrants but the facts show that they have fabricated their deportation statistics by illegitimately adding over 100,000 removals to their deportation figures for the past two years."

"“Since 2011, the Obama administration has included numbers from a Border Patrol program that returns illegal immigrants to Mexico right after they cross the Southwest border in their year-end deportation statistics. It is dishonest to count illegal immigrants apprehended by the Border Patrol along the border as ICE removals. And these ‘removals’ from the Border Patrol program do not subject the illegal immigrant to any penalties or bars for returning to the U.S. This means a single illegal immigrant can show up at the border and be removed numerous times in a single year – and counted each time as a removal. When the numbers from this Border Patrol program are removed from this year’s deportation data, it shows that removals are actually down nearly 20% from 2009. Another 40,000 removals are also included in the final deportation count but it is unclear where these removals came from. “In a campaign season when Administration officials have made a habit of spinning their numbers to ignore their real record, it’s no surprise that they are doing the same to their immigration record. It seems like President Obama is trying to trick the American people into thinking he is enforcing our immigration laws. But no amount of spin can cover up the facts. It’s bad enough that the President has neglected to enforce our immigration laws but it’s even worse that his Administration would distort statistics to deceive the American people.”

Thanks Bryan, I was going to flag it but had computer issues.