How about this. We charge 150% sales tax on every gun, $300 registration fee per year on every gun, ban assault weapons, ban ammo clips with more than 10 rounds on all guns, require background checks for both criminal and mental records, require a training course, close the loop hole for gun shows, require all weapons be kept in an armory to be checked out by the owners and put armed police in every school paid for by the taxes and registration fee and I will support the distortions of the Second Amendment.

Umm you could not be more wrong. I can take what you call a semi-automatic rifle (AR-15) go to a gun show and purchase essentially the firing mechanism for an M-16 (with no background check) do a little filing, drop it into the AR-15 and voila. Fully automatic assault weapon. Close the gun show loop holes and then talk.

Inaccurate. Anyone that is wealthy enough to Find an eligible firearm, pay for the federal permit, pass the background check, obtain the littany of permits, applications and paperwork from a law enforcement oficer, can infact purchase a fully automatic firearm.

Greg is correct, however what he has pointed out can be accomplished isa violation of federal law.

It sucks that we have these collectivists hell-bent on usurping our ideas, our thoughts, our actions... day by day and year by year.

But those of us on the side of liberty have to realize that collectivists have dominated this scene in MoCo for many, many years and we haven't really fought back.

2013 is the year we come back.

Craig ole buddy, your "liberty" has a bill attached to it that many of us are unwilling to pay. I don't begrudge a weapon for household protection(shotgun) but very clearly do begrudge high velocity rounds and large magazines next door. Your "liberty" is your neighbors repression. Move to the desert where you have no neighbors and then exercise your liberty. Somalia is nice this time of year

Huh? They multitask every hour of the day. Just because you don't bother reading with regularity and only know about the fiscal cliff doesn't mean everything else just doesn't exist.

Jag,

Look at the state of our country does it really look like these idiots can multitask. They may try but they are failing.

Oh for goodness sake, don't forget the new obamacare put into law, not read, and when the true cost takes effect, the folks who voted for it will be complaining about the short-circuit synaptic misfire to cover their excuse about the fact they did not really know what was in it...and sadly, did not give a rat's fuzzy butt. Oh well, just keeps adding more and more to the synaptic misfire congressional equation. Wonder if it has anything to do with downsizing/dummy down education system that may have come home to roost? Trying to think how far back it all began...mmmm....

What would be best for our grandkids..?

For them to not be shot a half-dozen times each.

yes, Buck, and the "illusion" tricks are getting mighty tiresome!!

"Personally I would like to see semi-auto's go away". You mention semi auto's going away, but you either have auto or semi-auto. I think you mean auto, but those aren't available for purchase anyways. Auto shoots continuously until you let off the trigger. Semi-auto, which is what civilians have access to, shoots each time you pull the trigger. There were no assault weapons used in Conn. He had one out in his trunk. It's not much different than a standard hunting rifle that shoots once each time you pull the trigger. Conn. has the 2nd-4th toughest laws in the nation.

Andy R., you are wrong. He had a semi-automatic assault weapon. You may look up the definition by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms of an assault weapon here:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2012-title27-vol3/xml/CFR-2012-title27-vol3-sec478-11.xml

Second fact, the kids and adults were shot not by handguns, but by a variant of the AR-15 which is a semi-automatic assault weapon. It is almost identical to a M-16 with the one exception of not having an automatic mode. It fires the same high velocity 5.56mm/.223 round. Some would say that one is much more accurate in semi-automatic mode anyway. Here is what the Connecticut State Police had to say:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/index.html

Last fact - just because Connecticut has tough laws doesn't mean you can't get the weapons you want easily because all you have to do is to go to another state.

At least we can now agree on facts perhaps.

FIFA, a true "assault weapon" is an automatic firearm. The term has been merged into the public discourse (and now the government's language). It was originally coined by the media many years ago to describe "scary guns". The semi-automatic rifle the shooter had in his possession was no different then any other semi-auto rifle except in looks. There are other rifles that use more powerful ammo. This illustrates how ludicrous the "assault rifle" argument is.

Native, if you wish to create you own definition go ahead. The "Assault Weapon Ban" used the definition I provided.

The AR-15 is not your everyday semi-automatic rifle though. It is the same as a military M-16 except for the automatic mode.

Native, that AR-15/M-16 also can use this very capable 90 round magazine available for purchase here from Brownells in Iowa.:

http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-m16-90-rounder-reg-magazine-prod23282.aspx

Maybe that is scary enough for you now?

If not this Zombie ammunition that fits right into the AR-15 will do it?

http://www.brownells.com/ammunition/rifle-ammo/hornady-zombie-max-rifle-ammunition-prod45017.aspx

FIFA, I'm not creating my own definition. As I said, the media coined it & it has merged into the public & government jargon. And you are wrong, the AR is just like an everyday semi except for how it looks. An everyday rifle can use a large mag as well. Other everyday rifles use higher power rounds. So tell me, how else is it different?

Even Wikipedia calls BS on the term "assault weapon"?

"the term 'assault weapon' has no consistent or specific definition and is, therefore, subject to varying definitions for varying purposes, including definitions that include common non-military firearms."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

So Native what you are saying is that an AR15 and a everyday semi are both semi-automatic assault weapons as defined by the ATF. Which is probably a slightly better source than the one Chris W seems to like, Wikipedia.

Quite simply Native, if the AR15 is not an assault weapon, what is the M16? Your definition of assault weapon is it must have an automatic mode? That's hogwash and you know it.

Gee Chris, I wonder who edited Wikipedia last, LaPierre? Probably. Do better than than please.

Well FIFA, tell me what makes your "assault rifle" different then my semi-auto deer rifle that has a 30 round mag. Other then the fact that it's black & "looks scary". You can't, can you? This is simply my point. And that is the silliness of an "assault weapons" ban.

As I have stated on the Patch many times, if it is semi-automatic you can't own it. There is no need for it, that simple. Won't happen and I recognize that too. But that is the only way mass shootings will ever end.

You want a gun, bolt action, single shot. That works well for hunting and target shooting. After that, it is about shooting people when in the wrong hands.

Thank you Frank. Chris, you were caught red-handed.

So FIFA, when you can't argue with facts, you just spout nonsense.

Native. You want to talk about nonsense. You make up your own definition of assault weapon and expect everyone to believe it? You are a fool. I have tired of your idiocy and silly asinine points of view. Lanza had an assault weapon to kill those children. What about that don't you understand? Is it English? Go away, I'm done with you. Why is it morons that defend the 2nd amendment at times?

LOL, that's ok FIFA. Straight out the Rules For Radicals handbook. When they can't win an argument against facts, liberals resort to name calling.

I suppose if the definition was from the Brady Campaign you would not complain.

Oh Bowie Boy, you are suggesting that "responsibility" is a very important part of parenting....how quaint!

Craig, going through life carrying the dual burden of free-floating shame and a weak stomach must be very difficult. Bob Baumann. Ted Agnew. Dale Anderson. Feeling queasy, yet?

I didn't think so. Maybe, Dr. 1ke, can help you with this.

That article describes to a "T" quite a few Patch commenters...

Let's see, this month alone (only three weeks) in Howard County, we've had...

1) Two home invasions involving firearms
2) Four armed robberies (three with firearms)
3) Eight robberies using physical assault

Certainly nothing to someone from PG, DC, or Baltimore... but definitely enough to warrant a sense of fear among residents and a desire to protect one's self.

"When did they rename "burglary" "home invasion"?"

In the 1920's, when home invasion was defined?

Killed due to liberal democratic policies.

"Cause of deaths" = gunshot wound from AR 15, .223 high velocity assault weapon round, fired from semi-automatic assault weapon. Per the coroner's report.

Which is the direct result of liberal policies of gun-free zones, gun control, etc.

Idiotic comment, relative of LaPierre. Blame anything but the bullet that killed 20 children and seven adults. Bullet pleads not guilty, someone else made the bullet do it. Do you realize how much of an complete idiot you sound like? Never mind, idiots don't realize anything. Crawl back in your hole. Hug your gun, maybe it is a warm gun.

Now, now, FIFA why all the vitriol? Where's your Christmas spirit? But I guess you've been reading too much of Saul Alynsky, thus the personal attacks & name calling instead of rational debate.

Native, you seem to be celebrating the death of 28 people? Go out and buy yourself another gun. I have nothing against idiots like you. You are what you are. There is no rational debate with an orifice like you. Are you serious? I have seen sewage that is smarter than you.

Smart sewage...rational statement...

God to Earth, please send kevin to me soon, he needs a lot of help.

Fifa ,No one believes anything where you even mention God ,unless it is to make fun of him.

The whole point kevin.

Are you referring to him, FIFA, or Him?

Say what, Kevin???

Do you think a revolutionary is "bad" per se? Why don't you read up on him and give your own opinion regarding what his revolutionary ideas can do for our great country. Because, it looks like there are a number of folks in Washington (actually in the administration) who may very well see his words for radicals as their true mission. I think the latest buzz words are LEAN FORWARD!!! Interesting..wonder what THEY intend to do if and when the majority of our wonderful citizens actually do decide to LEAN FORWARD!

Did you read the link? Plain yes or no will do.

No need to discuss. Tell Dan Bongino you are ready for a change. Then, you vote.

I vote for taking all assault weapons and large capacity magazines from everyone. The Japanese have it right. Another question? I understand it will not happen, but it would be nice if it did.

"I vote for taking all assault weapons and large capacity magazines from everyone. "

To borrow a phrase you used on another topic. Thankfully you do not get a vote to deny us our civil rights!

I believe she watches FOX, dog videos, and types on the Patch. Also retired from state government. No insult, just repeating what she has said! Gosh, this is hard.

Ahhh 1ke..looks like you may have read his works and agree. The fog is clearing...

Steve darling...I am not worried about Saul. He is in the happy hunting ground. It is the folks with some power who cling to his thoughts/words/deeds and blindly, very blindly LEAN FORWARD!!! That is great cause to worry, especially for the folks who see a real problem with LEANING FORWARD in the name of Alinsky...except perhaps to learn from his expertise in community organizing. Surely you darlings don't think the rest of us should just sit quietly through your revolutionary antics, now do you? Destroy...guns, culture, religion, philosophy, education system, total dependence on Big Brother. And Steve, darling, what in the world do you have against grandmothers?? Usually they are the last on your totem poles, you little fearless wonders!

Two things:
1. Kindly copy and paste into a post the Second Amendment to convince anyone who may question your absolute commitment to principle.
2. Say with a straight face that a firearm you may own is not just a piece of slick mechanism that is just another boy-toy that goes with your four-wheeler, your pick-up truck, your Ravens stuff and deals out Death to anybody who Invades your castle to violate and sell into human bondage you and your family.

Do these things and henceforth, I will refer to you as Chris W. Defender of the Republic.

Frank, predictive text on the iPad is often as accurate as a meteorologist.

It's easy not to make a spelling error when your posts are the equivalent of " I know you are but what am I."

So you have put old Saul in with Sam Adams, Ralph Nader and Thurgood Marshall...I find your thought process a little mind boggling and a bit of stretch honey child. As for your assessment of me...quite a bit off base. To get into your game would be against all I believe in. You and your cohorts look for weak links and pounce with a head one view of destruction...a process that will affect us all darling in a very negative way. Actually, I am being very kind with my words honey child. Been there, seen revolution...anyone who plays the GAME in destroying this country and who wins that GAME, would ultimately be the first to be thrown off the bridge post GAME by the elite GAME players. If you try to destroy the greatest country on earth, of what use will you be if you win the GAME...you would not be cost effective, darling! And that, honey child is how it works. Better give a little more thought to your GAME PLANS!!

I am already consulting Flying Dog Grand Cru and Lagunitas Lil' Sumpin'. Does that make me multicultural?

The government wants control of these weapons for their own safety...not the safety of U S citizens..

"5 Gun Control Myths"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-gun-control/2012/12/21/6ffe0ae8-49fd-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html

It's all for good anyway...Honeychild... you just sweeten the threads a bit...firm~but sweet...Best of the Holidays to you !!

"Defenders of the American Way" It's a part of the Resist-A-Nut Nation. These people crack me up.

http://patriotaction.net/group/marylandresistance

Now we know where all the Jerry Springer people hide out.

You can get it. Just download the Anti Same Sex Marriage/Anti Illegal Haterbase that they created with the referendums. They are all on there.

Dearest 1ke....you really, really know not what you speak. Meta, beta, feta...think you are losing it pal. This is getting more fun with every response. Go guys, (and perhaps gals) go!!!! Come on back out from under the rocks. We have missed your "before the election" crap.

Holy cow, you guys (maybe gals) are on a role. Darling, be it known right now, that we are praying the country we love will not be crushed. Listening to you angels is "red flag" time. Double Yikes!!! Your aggressive words are so, so telling honey child. If only the rest of us would not have to go through the wringer...just you and your friends..now that would be lovely to watch.

I know you wish that concerns stem from the fact the Mr. Obama is black (or is it half black and half white)...but I am afraid that crap from you is old. Has absolutely nothing to do with facts. Sorry, you will have to play something other than the race card. You are not quite as intelligent as you would have other believe. But, whatever makes you enjoy a certain pseudo-comfort zone in your racist zone world, it would be unkind of the rest of us to take it away from you. And so, I say put those rose-colored glasses right back on darling and have a beautiful Christmas and wonderful New Year!!

Steve, most Republicans could care less about ehat race the president is. Many liked Herman Cain and its hard to find a Republicant who does not like Condi Rice.

Your constant whining that republicans are racist is a tiresome generalization.

Most Republicans dislike the president because of his liberal /socialist policies, and because he would rather double down on the policies that have us borrowing 41 cents of every dollars we spend.

Frank your post simply supports my point. All this race baiting by you, Steve, Et al. Has nothing to do with race and everything to do with politics.

Any conservative black is ridiculed, called an uncle Tom etc. meanwhile Jackson, Sharpton and their ilk are revered because you like their politics.

It so transparent.

"Five sad, misguided tokens"

As racist a comment as any on this entire page.

Not only is THAT a typical racist comment but then he adds another.
"Sorry, Chris, you'll have to do better than that before you can turn in your white sheets."

Any black not black enough for this racist Frank is a "token" and all whites who see them as good decent people are racist as well according to the real racist here, Frank. Why else would he think all those wear "white sheets"?

Frank is one of the most racist bigoted intolerant person here.
"Jesus and the Apostles = Misfit Patrol?"

""mass murders are committed by young mails."
I see I missed Brunch at Castle Bueller."

"Thank G-d for Microsoft Word." As if the word GOD is like the "N-word"

"the reason I asked is because many on your ilk, those who form their opinions based on whatever Glenn Beck tells them,"

and on and on and on.......

And while some folks get their accounts a suspended for masked profanity, Steve and Frank get away with their overt racist drivel.

Last I checked, one of the patch terms of use addresses this as well:
"threatening, harassing or that promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;"

Editor?

Ahh darling Steve, he who laughs last, laughs best....but in this case the pain will much to great to laugh about at all. Perhaps a knowing smile will be all we can muster.

LOL Then there are some really out there groups barely clinging on the far edges of Wing Nuttery. Like these guys.....

http://www.facebook.com/OBAMAAGAINSTCHRISTIANS

I wanted to take a break...but your idiotic comments are so compelling. You would not know "ignorant" if you fell over it. You are so racially inept darling...you have been left behind in the dust. Why do you insist that Mr. Obama is "black?" Just curious. And so what if he is or is not? Why is his race so very important to you? It is mind boggling. It is like you just came out of a cave. Trying to hold a reasonable conversation with you is like trying to get blood out of a turnip! Please just swallow your race card or stick it up your butt-a-voo.

Compromise...our President is grey..

Did David Gregory wave a hi cap mag on the air or didn't he Steve?

Simple question.

The NRA really has you guys tilting at Windmills these days don't they?

"5. Destroy — Police officers and agencies should consider the following:

a. Carry off duty. No one would tell a firefighter who has a fire extinguisher in his trunk that he’s crazy or paranoid.
b. Equip every cop in America with a patrol rifle. One chief of police, upon getting rifles for all his officers once said, “If an active killer strikes in my town, the response time will be measured in feet per second.”
c. Put smoke grenades in the trunk of every cop car in America. Any infantryman who needs to attack across open terrain or perform a rescue under fire deploys a smoke grenade. A fire extinguisher will do a decent job in some cases, but a smoke grenade is designed to perform the function.
d. Have a “go-to-war bag” filled with lots of loaded magazines and supplies for tactical combat casualty care.

"e. Use helicopters. Somewhere in your county you probably have one or more of the following: medevac, media, private, national guard, coast guard rotors.
f. Employ the crew-served, continuous-feed, weapon you already have available to you (a firehouse) by integrating the fire service into your active shooter training. It is virtually impossible for a killer to put well-placed shots on target while also being blasted with water at 300 pounds per square inch.
g. Armed citizens can help. Think United 93. Whatever your personal take on gun control, it is all but certain that a killer set on killing is more likely to attack a target where the citizens are unarmed, rather than one where they are likely to encounter an armed citizen response."

http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/

Solid ideas from the professionals.

More of the Faux News Brainwashing BS.

http://crooksandliars.com/news-hound-ellen/fox-guns-don-t-kill-people-video-

""Imagine if someone said, ‘I want a trained fire professional on site. I want a fire hat, I want a fire uniform, I want a fire badge. But! No fire extinguishers in this building. No fire hoses. The hat, the badge, the uniform — that will keep us safe — but we have no need for fire extinguishers.’ Well, that would be insane. It is equally insane, delusional, legally liable, to say, ‘I want a trained security professional on site. I want a security hat, I want a security uniform, and I want a security badge, but I don’t want a gun.’ It’s not the hat, the uniform, or the badge. It’s the tools in the hands of a trained professional that keeps us safe.

“Our problem is not money,” said Grossman. “It is denial.”

Grossman said (and most cops agree) that many of the most important things we can do to protect our kids would cost us nothing or next-to-nothing."

Merry Christmas to all.

You confuse being non-religious with morality. I would argue that many religious people are immoral as Americans see morality. You are only as moral as you define the term.

Sanchez...in the end, who gives a rat's fuzzy butt about what Nancy Snyderman likes or dislikes, thinks or doesn't think about Christmas. Perhaps, since she is Jewish, she could share her thoughts about Hanukkha

THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS (NASRO)
agrees with the NRA as did President Clinton and so do 1/3rd of existing schools who have armed school resource officers today.

"Q: Does NASRO agree that every school that wants one should have an armed police officer?

A: Yes, when local communities deem it necessary. A well-trained, armed, school resource officer (SRO) is one of the best defenses against an active shooter. NASRO provides specialized training to school-based police officers on how to properly respond to an active shooter in a sound way."

The NRA has Police Chief Lanier tilting at windmills?

Are you wearing the three corner or dunce cap version today Fifi..?

Here come Buckaroo with this 9/11 conspiracy theories and income taxes are unconstitutional and he calls me dumb? C'mon Bucky, what else is in your bag of tricks.

Yeah, typical liberal. Instead of debating with facts, he resorts to namecalling.

I'm reading and haven't seen a so-called fact yet.

I seek facts..truth Fifi, previous attempts by you to back some of the claims that you have made have failed miserably...you are not capable of proving that which is not true...It's the dunce cap for you...good luck ..follow the leader...it will all work out...pay more tax...kiss more butt...seems to be your solution..

Bucky Baby, you want me to prove your nutty claims are false? You have it back asswards. You make the claim, prove it.

This probably has a lot more to do with terrorist/hostage than a random shooter. The kidnapping/killing of well to do people is not the target of the random killer.

The NRA president is crazy. If one thinks through the effects you will see the problems. Soft targets exist everywhere in the US, not just schools. Those security officers in schools now are usually only there during the school day. Not at sporting events, concerts, etc.

I don't know about you, Chris W, because you may be really important and really wealthy. But I don't think that anyone would kidnap my children and hold them for ransom. The taxpayers ought to pit their foot down and stop supporting schools like Sidwell Friends.

Good point Chris W, and Fifi...can you prove your statement regarding security not being present at sporting events, or is the use of the word "usually" a tiptoe around facts?
You do this often Fifi...show us some fact...

Just go to a football game on any weekend in Perry Hall at the Elementary School. There are hundreds of people and kids throughout the day. That is a soft target. You can have security there too? How about baseball and soccer games. How about all of the tournaments where thousands of kids are? You guys are silly.

Bucky Baby, go to a Ravens football game and the tailgate party has hundreds and hundreds of people. A person with a 90 round magazine and a .223 Remington will empty before stopped. So much for security.

Fifi, Once again you fail...we are responding to Chris W comment regarding the Quaker School that Obama's kids attend...please pay more attention to the portion of the thread that you respond to...go back ..re read..stop making more of an as of yourself for a happy new year change...I know it's hard for you to keep up with your own silliness...but please try a little harder for the sake of the thread...
Just pushing your buttons...time to wake up..!

Bucky baby, maybe you are losing it. The thread shows I responded to Chris on point then you decided to go whacko on us with your normal conspiracy BS theories.

Go put your white jacket back on please.

There you go again Fifi...since when is seeking the truth, (especially when it pertains to government) a conspiracy? Seeking the truth, as well as a degree of accountability is American. Do you believe all things spewed by government..? If you do you are wearing sheepskin...

For those who say "if one thinks through the effects you will see the problems"
as if the one who said that is the expert and more knowledgeable than the true professionals.

"Dec, 21, 2012 – Hoover, Ala. – The National Association of School Resource Officers (NASRO) today responded to school safety recommendations announced by the National Rifle Association (NRA).

QUOTES FROM MR. MO CANADY, EXEC. DIR., NASRO & FORMER SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER

“A well-trained, armed, school-based police officer is one of the best defenses against an active shooter in a school. NASRO agrees that placing school-based police officers in every school that wants one would greatly enhance the safety of children, if such officers are selected carefully and properly trained.”

“School-based policing requires specialized training not covered in most law enforcement academies. Because school resource officers are much more than armed guards, they need training in teaching, counseling and the special skills required to act as a law enforcement officer in a school setting. In addition, we recommend that all school resource officers receive special training to assure that their responses to an active shooter will be safe and effective.” "

Here are some professionals who HAVE thought it through, not just an empty thought form a blowhard.

""Q: Does NASRO agree that every school that wants one should have an armed police officer?

A: Yes, when local communities deem it necessary. A well-trained, armed, school resource officer (SRO) is one of the best defenses against an active shooter. NASRO provides specialized training to school-based police officers on how to properly respond to an active shooter in a sound way.""

10 of the 11 "Security Guards" are Secret Service agents.

Before you go "Blah, Blah Blah" my daughter teaches there and my wife is an Alumni.

Does no one see the hypocrisy of having 11 armed guards at YOUR kids school while telling everyone else that armed guards at schools is not a solution?

Don't be stupid.

The President of the United States daughters attend that school. 10 SS agents are there to protect them. The same number that had to chase the party animal Bush girl's around..

Wanna talk about a "well armed student body"? Lets look at Chicago.

Chicago Public School Students Shot This School Year Highest Since 2008.

440+ School Age Children Shot in Gun-Controlled Chicago in the 2012 school year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/chicago-public-school-stu_n_1627258.html

The result of a "well armed student body" in an urban setting is the NEW American gun culture.

The old American gun culture was was what built America.

1 Dead, 13 Wounded In Christmas Eve, Christmas Shootings.

"CHICAGO (STMW) – One person was killed and 13 wounded in gun violence over the Christmas holiday, including an 11-year-old boy grazed by a bullet and a man who was shot to death during a dispute in the Englewood neighborhood.

Joshua Davis, 18, was shot to death in the 2000 block of W. 69th Street — a few blocks from his home — after an altercation with several males on a CTA bus, according to the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office.

The group followed Davis off the bus when one of the males pulled out a handgun and shot Davis several times in the torso and once in the ear about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, authorities said."

Oh, the OLD American gun culture! I see.

But, perfessor, would you explain the differences in sociological terms between the Old Gun Culture and the New Gun Culture?

Oh, but don't get pissed. Please don't.

Guns neither make people safer nor do they threaten them. The people who hold those guns do.

The current World condition would be a great example of perceived leadership...keep believing the perceived world leaders...and reacting to their evils as you seem to while things are lead down the tube... not a matter for tails, dogs, straps or repeated dumb statements...seems to be the best that you offer though..understood..

Another surrender comment Frank....I accept your surrender to this topic...I do realize that this is the best that you have to offer ...Happy New Year..

For Buck, courtesy of Elvis:

"So, my darling, please surrender
All your love so warm and tender
Let me hold you in my arms, dear
While the moon shines bright above"

Dictionary? Are you nuts? Launch mode is now red. Do you read me? Red. Out.

"NBC News fires Zimmerman tape producer
NBC News has fired the producer responsible for the edited audio tape of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/04/nbc-fires-zimmerman-tape-producer-119881.html

Good wallow Fifi..! very telling indeed..

You could could be more wrong FIFA. We do not have a ruling aristocracy here. No one's child should be more "highly regarded" they are not any more worthy than any other child, the difference is the risk.

Have the children of the president always been so closely guarded? No. So ask yourself what changed.

The answer is that over time the risk to the president's family changed. As the risk changed, prudent protective measures were taken.

Now if the country has reached a point where the risk to school children is more significant, why is it crazy to want to respond in the exact same way?

If, by being President, I felt that my children's life could in any way be in danger I would home school without question...the tab for taxpayers would be much less as well..
The fact that his children would need that kind of protection to attend school only lends itself to the fact that all children deserve the same....recent shootings being case and point..

You also say nothing could be further from true a lot Fifi...you are wrong..again..

Chris, you have made your argument. Nothing could be further from the truth that some lives are not considered more valuable than others. That is a fact of life, whether you believe it or not. If not, too bad, I'll never convince you otherwise.

Buck, go give us a history on the 16th amendment or how we don't know the real story about 9/11. We are still waiting. Instead of rhetoric, what is the truth about 9/11?
C'mon Buck, your friends want to hear the truth.

Fifi...These are the type of comments made by you regularly when you lose your argument in full view...surrender..nice try though..

Blucky Buckaroo, the surrender stuff has gotten older than your 9/11 conspiracy theories. Please tell us what was really behind 9/11, everyone wants to know. C'mon Blucky, you can do it. Why did those Twin Towers collapse? You know, share it with us, ppppllllllleeeeeaaaaaaassssssseeeeeee.

Could they use your child as leverage against the country, I think not........

How many death threats have you or your children received Eastsider, Chris, Buck, or any other of you "protect all of the children" nuts?

http://jezebel.com/5963372/massive-number-of-death-threats-against-president-obama-exhausts-the-secret-service

Doesn't matter a damn bit Fifi...whats good for the goose is good for the gander...
He..they have always had the option of home school...in the case of being the President's kids they can't possibly live the same life of others anyway...kinda goes with the turf of the Presidents career choice...they could deal with it if the threats are real...much safer, and cost effective..

Also Fifi, I believe that many of the actions taken by Obama could potentially be a threat to the future security and safety of my grandchildren...actions are speaking louder than his words with this regard..

How many against Obama's kids? Now before you speak find evidence to back up your statement.....

How many of the kids in Connecticut had threats against them?

What a stupid comment.

The President has enough on his plate without being burdened with the welfare of his children. Eastsider, if God forbid your children or mine were kidnapped, we might cave in to the pressure and show up at the wrong dry cleaner to pick up our sweater or cheap-ass suit or wreck our five year-old sedan.

Actually, the President's children are more important than your children and mine. You doubt that? Ask around.

Guess you don't cherish your children as I do. Everybody's children deserve equal protection.

I just have an unfailing sense of perspective, Eastsider. Love my kids. Love life. But, I never ever forget where I fit in.

Let's be clear. I am not saying that they do not deserve protection. Quite the contrary, I feel they are in great need of protection. The reason is not that they are somehow more important, the reason is they are more at risk.

Not lame at all. If you dismiss this by saying, "Of course they have armed guards -- they get Secret Service protection," then you've missed the larger point.
The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).

Private school, private money, you want a SRO in your kid's school. Start writing checks.

Hasn't worked to date Frank...wise up..

And that is more than they had in Connecticut now isn't it?

Hypocrites!

It's dumb for your daughter to teach at such a potentially dangerous school too..

His "perceived" status is not perceived and no, your children do not qualify for secret service protection. People may need to be protected from the likes of you though Bucky babyroo.

Not everyone thinks as highly of his status as you do Fifi...that would make his status a perception to many...perceived if you will..

As if on cue, Frank brings up race.

As if there is no other reason to dislike the president. I guess I hate my own kind because I disliked Carter?

Give me a break!

Wise up Frank..

"Research into violent video games (VVGs) is primarily conducted by psychologists in the United States. It takes place in a controversial political context of free speech disputes and school shootings. Much of this research has shown that playing VVGs is a small to moderate risk factor in later aggressive behaviour, at least in the short-term. However, over the course of this review a number of problems emerged with these findings that reduce their policy relevance."

"There is some consensus in the research that some members of the community, such as people with psychotic personality traits, may be more affected by VVGs than others. However, there is mixed evidence as to whether VVGs have a greater impact on children."

"In conclusion, research into the effects of VVGs on aggression is contested and inconclusive."

Literature review on the impact of playing violent video games on aggression.
Australian Government Attorney General's Dept.

http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/Public/Media-And-Student-Resources/Other%20Resources/Literature%20review%20on%20the%20impact%20of%20playing%20violent%20video%20games%20on%20aggression.pdf

"If it saves just one child's life."

You missed the entire point Joe.

You stated "Most interesting is the NRA's lame excuse it is the nasty computer games that my kids play that help cause this."

I simply showed you that the study noted by the Australian government agreed with the NRA. The games DO, thus the conclusion of the study.
"There is some consensus in the research that some members of the community, such as people with psychotic personality traits, may be more affected by VVGs than others. "

With 320,000,000 people here yes a few will be evil.

What exactly does the NRA have to do with the ads on the websites of the games?
Does the NRA also advertise there as well? Does the Obama regime? Does The Brady Bunch?

I go to the Medal of Honor site and I first see a huge ad pushing a movie the Obama regime gave classified documents to the producers and promoted the movie before the election. Is the Obama regime or even Hollywierd responsible just like you claim the NRA is? I don't see any NRA ads.
Looks like Obama and Osama is what people see when they go to the website, not the NRA.

From the NYT link "Links on the Medal of Honor site allowed visitors to click through on the Web sites of the game’s partners and peruse their catalogs."

I just went there and it must have been changed or the NYT is lying again. Can't "click through". There are other firearm part manufactures that are the leaders in the indusrty.

http://www.medalofhonor.com/partners

MAGPUL has a great old time calendar. Oh, and great parts for your generic Rem 870 to make it look mean and scare libs to death.

http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/shotgun
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG913/124

From your link "“It was almost like a virtual showroom for guns,” said Ryan Smith, who contributes to the Gameological Society, an online gaming magazine."

That page contains 14 advertisers. Of those ONLY 3 manufacture firearms. And they are all custom and very expensive.
One sells eye protection, one sells gloves, one sells cameras. Others sell firearm parts and accessories.
Some have contracts with the government for optics and accessories. Is the Obama regime now to blame for supporting these companies that make optics possibly used on a cheap firearm used in a rare crime?

Hardly a "virtual showroom for guns". This is what we read when we read people with agendas.
Never believe the press, look for yourself.

And that was in the 4th paragraph. Why should I read further if I can see the story is based on falsehoods?

I love it when Fifi crawls from his hole and directly into a pool of surrender...nothing fresh, nothing new...same old spew...he wallows well though...get back to facts Fifi, or crawl back...you've lost your stand.

FIFA, you must not read the Patriot Post and World Nut Daily. The Kenyan actually stole the election. Now he is going to turn the Country over to the NWO in some kind of nefarious United Nations Plot...

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/adding-up-the-evidence-to-a-stolen-election/

That is because FIFA, Frank, Steve, and those like them don't want a democracy, or a constitutional republic. They want a liberal theocracy where we bow to the dear leader who is obviously much more intelligent than we are and knows what is best for us.

Working on adjusting my firewall now. It generally avoids letting BS through. Bucky has never once stated a fact or repeated a fact from someone else. He only has his 2 cent opinions to spout. Just like Old Faithful. I thought ATC was married to LR, I'm no longer so sure.

Clearly Chris the President is more intelligent than you are. How is that Harvard degree of yours coming along? I don't concede him that though. You should it is a safe bet. You lost twice in a row because you thought he wasn't as smart as Karl "The Brain" Rove who is now hiding from donors. His intelligence is obvious. What is hidden, is your lack, what is funny, is you don't know it. What is funnier, if Hillary runs and wins we will have 8 more years of democratic rule. The only thing keeping you guys alive is redistricting. And that won't last, the demographics are like getting old, they are coming to take you away, hehe.

FIFI I have house plants that have a higher IQ than you do.

Chrissy, anytime you want to match IQs, name the place and time and bring some serious money. Whipping up on your double digits is really pretty simple.

What do you know, The trifecta of stupid has spoken.

Chrissy's have shrunk to the size of BBs.

Did you think long and hard for that one FIFI? I'm so impressed by your intellect .

I like money Chris, I figure my odds are at least 49 to 1 taking your money. Odds too good to turn down. Serious cash though, at least 4 digits and that's not including the pennies.

FIFI said "I like money".

I guess that explains the liberal guilt.

Gutless Chrissy. Expected.

Come on Frank..be a good boy...wise up..

Wise up Frank..you're done here..good boy..

So you and your old man are gone. Damn!

1951 Congress enacted legislation that permanently authorized Secret Service protection of the president, his immediate family, the president-elect, and the vice president, if he wishes. (Public Law - 82-79).

In 1902 there were two secret service agents.

Try again Steve.

Put the wine Bottle down Grandma!

Buck...terrific! Beautifully stated!!

There s a little thing called due process that should be followed first.

And over 10,000 people were killed in drunk driving related accidents last year alone. What is your point.

That's right. A black man cannot be a conservative. Stupid Uncle Tom's! What was I thinking?

Carson's recent speech was noting but common sense. Your head is up your hemorrhoided arse!

A black conservative scares the hell out of you. It goes against everything you believe in. It scares you because you do not like the negro off the plantation.

Dr. Carson is an Independent, and would never stoop the the level of claim to be liberal or conservative... they only cause divide...divide is dumb, we aren't dealing with it very well either..Steve...you are a divider...Ben Carson is a conqueror..

Are kidding me? He has very conservative values and ideas. The (I) is just a label. Think beyond your nose.

If he says he isn't a Conservative thats good enough for me. Whoa re you to tell him what he is or isn't?